JZ S12 BUILD, RIP 2012

you are one messy fella.

200sxkitcarmoving AGAIN?  NOOO!  what about the pimp room in the basement and the pimp garage??  I hope the new place is just as good, and the landlord doesn't mind you working in there.  that could be a problem...

rduranS12you are one messy fella.

UPDATE

okay
i removed the weird metal bracket from the end of S12 DRIVESHAFT, using a hammer and alot of patience lol,
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2075.jpg)

here is my new s13 driveshaft piece without it,
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2076.jpg)

i take that connecting bracket off the s12 driveshaft, and put it onto the S13 driveshaft,
WHICH,
will now let me connect the LONG s12 driveshaft that goes to the differential,
and the short s13 piece to the transmission!!

BUT
new issue
i need a tap and die set dammit
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2078.jpg)
s13 driveshaft thread needs to be retaped, i really dont feel like pulling a driveshaft from the yard so im gonna take it to a local shop and see how much it will cost for them 2 tap it, shouldnt be much

DOHC alternator? will it work?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2079.jpg)

well it bolts up fine,
but i had to lift up the engine on an engine lift to get to the pullys,

i also too the torque convertor off by flipping the engine upside down and dropping the oil pan, no metal flakes, etc. looks cleanso far
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(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2081.jpg)

no i gotta figure out how the s13 transmission mount bolts up to my car,
ill probally edit my s12's mounts together somehow, and use a series of washers, etc.

how the fuck do i flip my engine back over lmao

after alot of thinking of how to undo the lift, to the stand
btw i borrowed a stand lol

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2094.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2095.jpg)
ghetto? lol

at least i can get around the engine more, and stuffs

issue

people keep telling my a KA24E power steering pump is on the passengers side....

maybe im dumb, but i feel like mine is on the drivers side.... umm is it possible to swap alternator/power steering pump placment??????!?!?!
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2098.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2097.jpg)

not too sure what you are talking about man.

the large aluminum compressor on the right side of that pic is for the A/C.  Remove it if you don't plan on running air conditioning, and don't forget to take off the heavy ass bracket.  its the one with the bolts on either side of the holes, thats a good indication of A/C.

the power steering pump is the thing located on the far top by the intake mani and valve cover, the outermost belt is running to it.  This is on the passenger side of the engine... the alternator is the belt directly underneath of it.

200sxkitcarnot too sure what you are talking about man.

the large aluminum compressor on the right side of that pic is for the A/C.  Remove it if you don't plan on running air conditioning, and don't forget to take off the heavy ass bracket.  its the one with the bolts on either side of the holes, thats a good indication of A/C.

the power steering pump is the thing located on the far top by the intake mani and valve cover, the outermost belt is running to it.  This is on the passenger side of the engine... the alternator is the belt directly underneath of it.

UPDATE,

i got the stupid ass motor mounts off god these things were annoying, by the time i got to the second one i got the hang of it though, you use a flex head wrench, and a 17" socket, its one bolt
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2107.jpg)

and i got these from paul, ill be bolting them in asap
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2110.jpg)
QUESTION
is there a specific way i bolt in the s13 mounts? it looks like the bolt can slide up and down, do i posistion them all the way down? or up? or in the middle? how will i know that the engine will line up.... i dont want to have to tighten the mounts with the engine on it? ah, what ev, i dont have the right nut for them anyways so i gotta go somewhere and buy them

okay so i removed that AC bullshit, ill sell the compresser it looks kinda newish anyone want to buyy?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2112.jpg)

QUESTION
can i remove the whole pully thingy, and just leave the bolts in so they dont get clogged, in case i want ac someday?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2115.jpg)

started to clean up the rack alittle bit, and around the bay with wd40 and a toothbrush
steering wheel seat ftw, thanx asparagus,i remember this from your build
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2108.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2109.jpg)

bahh bahhh, well i need a fuckload of parts still, like a clutch, flywheel, and shit, so i can get the engine and tranny together, then i can plop it in, and get started with wireing, and then hookup the driveshaft and go!!
YEA

very nice, very nice.

I would just get the motor mounts in, leave them slightly loose so they can move up and down some, and then tighten down after the motor is in and you have the chance to locate the motor and mounts together.  if that makes sense.

I would leave the bolts out of the motor.  Less chance of them coming loose, and you can quite easily clean out the holes with a rag and brake clean or whatever if you ever decided to utilize them, rather unlikely tho.

Make sure when you get the wiring/ecu you know WHAT YEAR they came from, that will help with the conversion.

200sxkitcarvery nice, very nice.

I would just get the motor mounts in, leave them slightly loose so they can move up and down some, and then tighten down after the motor is in and you have the chance to locate the motor and mounts together.  if that makes sense.

I would leave the bolts out of the motor.  Less chance of them coming loose, and you can quite easily clean out the holes with a rag and brake clean or whatever if you ever decided to utilize them, rather unlikely tho.

Make sure when you get the wiring/ecu you know WHAT YEAR they came from, that will help with the conversion.

I'm talking about the WIRING and ECU man, thats whats important.  I doubt the motors differ much at all, but the info is definitely needed for the wiring and ecu.

you should probably know the year of your motors for parts ordering, but again I doubt much is different.  There is a serial on them somewhere I believe, you might want to find it, dunno if it references with anything tho.

i get that off the vin right? passenger side i belive on teh firewallz

no, if you are talking about the motor's info, there should be a serial number somewhere on the block.  maybe.  and it may or may not reference with anything....  check it out.

89 ka had higher compression than 90's. i also believe the 90 ka has the hiatachi(spelling) dist cap, where the 89 has the mistu one.
the wiring is basically the same for both years. 91 is where changes happened.

silvia love89 ka had higher compression than 90's. i also believe the 90 ka has the hiatachi(spelling) dist cap, where the 89 has the mistu one.
the wiring is basically the same for both years. 91 is where changes happened.

update*

exuast manifold on, even though i need the damn gasket, ill do it later
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2125.jpg)

its looking more like an engine!
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2128.jpg)

painted the inside of fenders,
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2132.jpg)

and sanded, and painted over missing paint, slight surface rust spots in bay
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2133.jpg)

ahhh lets play a game!

answer the ?'s

WHATS MISSING?
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WHATS MISSING?
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DOES THIS LOOK ALL RIGHT SO FAR?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2138.jpg)

WHAT DOES THIS DO, CAN I PLUG IT? OR SHOULD I FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HOOK IT UP
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2139.jpg)

mmn sexy car
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2135.jpg)

so, christmas is coming which means MULA, money. and ill be spending alot of it on this swap, ive been planning ahed for most of this, and ive gotten a huge list here on my computer of everything i need to by, and things i need to get at the yard

whats holding me back is that stripped driveshaft thread that needs tapping, a clutch, and a harness basically, the big 3

First "what's missing"... not sure, but the second "what's missing" picture is the throttle position sensor.

That first "missing" pic... You're missing the oil pump!

Edit:
Or not?
That's where the Z engines have it... Now I gotta find the FSM and find out for sure.

Edit #2:
No, that's gotta be the oil pump.
(http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/medium/0900823d8017f243.gif)

Can't think of anything else it could be.

oo i have a spare one lol from the other engine

okay christmas is over, back to reality.

trying to get this transmission sorted out, three issues, but ive always known about these before i got the s12

DRIVESHAFT-SOLVED

TRANSMISSION WELL-HAS TO BE CUT
trying to figure out about that tonight without ripping out my interior XD, i just have to cut it, so the shifter will fit through,

but i have no shifter to test right now, thats why im using a tranny. ILL GET A SHIFTER AT THE YARD! i forgot about that lol

TRANSMISSION MOUNT- NEEDS TO BE MODDEd
im going to take my old ca20e tranny mount to someone that can weld, ill cut it up with my new air tools
and have them weld it to my new trans mount from paul, then it should be BOLT in

using my guns of steel, my huge biceps. like donnies, lol. one piece of wood after another, i pyramid my ass up there

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2146.jpg)
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how hard would it be to instal the engine ONTO the tranny with the tranny already fastened in??

haha thanks guys, thats what keeps me going, these forums

UPDATE, lol its been a long christmas for me, but im done for the day
its in! only held in by 2 longer bolts, i need washers, legit bolts, other shit etc.

the transmission isnt bolted to the mount, its resting on it, but i slide two bolts without nuts to make sure it fits right (dont have nuts)

but it fucking works! sort some shit out! and im good
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(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2161.jpg)

look at how low the transmission is, i can fabricate some metal plates, to go between the tranny and the mount, to raise it higher

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2162.jpg)

awesome man.good progress.wish i had a garage to use all my tools in.damn home owners association wont let us spit on the ground without paying some fine for it.i think the trans sitting that low will give the shifter a better look.shouldnt effect performance or anything.

update

remounted the trans, i think its stable now, still held up with two bolts, but with washers this time,
i bought bolts for the tranny to mount so it should be all good and fine
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2166.jpg)

cut transmission well, kinda, gonna cut sum more
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painted valve cover blue,
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2163.jpg)

prepping driveshaft for paint
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2164.jpg)

seems to line up towards the diff, im still sketchy about it, but we shall find out. first i need to make sure the driveshaft will fit
and i still need a clutch!

to be continued!
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2170.jpg)

junkyard run! junkyard fun!
spent around 90 bux

got WIRE HARNESS, ECU, NEW DRIVESHAFT, SHIFTER, SHIFT BOOT, eltric box thingy that im missing
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2183.jpg)
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and omg,
thanks zack (camaro, for referring me to the beamer with the momo seat)
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40 bux!
now my cars gonna be a REAL race car lol

also got lots o bolts

lookin good, tranny doesnt seem that low

id also recommend putting the engine and tranny in together as one

ragelookin good, tranny doesnt seem that low

id also recommend putting the engine and tranny in together as one

started wiring, to figure out whats going where

0#
does something go here? at either of the holes above the throttle body?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2203.jpg)

1#
are these two connections gonna come from the engine harness or the s12?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2204.jpg)

2#
where does this go! i cant find its home
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2202.jpg)

3#
are these vac lines? where do they go?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2208.jpg)

4#
did the connecter piece break off? is this where its supposed to go? i can get that at the yard if so
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2209.jpg)

5#
WTF is this!
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2211.jpg)

okay and now i must figure out what i do with this part of the harness, the part that is inside the car,
because my old ECU is on the drivers side, and this is from the pass side
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2212.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2213.jpg)

mmnn

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lookin good.  I'll comment more later.

0.  looks like unused ports on the TB, if you look carefully, they are probably blocked off, ie the don't go anywhere.  carryovers from who knows what.

1.  Those two connections are from the S12 chassis harness.  IIRC this is going in the 84, which has the 'T' style alternator plug, so there will be some simple modding, but no big deal.  I think Jeff on his SOHC transferred the S12 oil pressure sending unit (the other plug) onto the KA, in which case the OEM S12 wiring hooks right up.  A swap to a S13 connector couldn't be too hard, dunno if the signal is different, its not critical for the car running but good to monitor/gauges.

2.  Not as familiar with the sohc harness, but 1)check all your fuel injectors and 2) check all the solenoids for the vacuum butterfly system and 3) any idle junk that may be located in the back of the intake mani.

3.  Of those three vac lines, one is likely just to be a source to the intake tubing, one is likely to go to the charcoal canister, and if one is particularly larger than the others it might also go to the charcoal canister, but the look the same....?  I'll hold on definite until someone else confirms.

4.  This looks like the coolant temp sensor for the gauge, which would normally have a metal tab coming out of it that broke.  I'd grab a new one or jyard one, up to you.

5.  Looks like the connector for the o2 sensor!

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2213.jpg)

This pic is gold.  I don't know what the closeup connector is as its too fuzzy, but the THREE connectors in the BACKGROUND are what you will NEED to interface to the S12 chassis.  this information will come soon.

OHHHHHH i got the top part figured out

i had one of the injecter clips on the wrong thing, i disconnected it, and used the shortest one etc. till i had one spare, which i plugged into a clip not shown

okay update

is it called the clutch slave? or whatever, that seems to hook up fine
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2218.jpg)

and also, with the lower harness of the s12, it hooks up, no problems with connecters
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2217.jpg)

BUT

i have no connecter for this
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2220.jpg)

and this
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2221.jpg)

and wtf is this?
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2219.jpg)

in the backround is what its connected too,

and where does my speedo cable go??

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2222.jpg)

allright....

the speedo.  S13's use the digital sending unit, which is what is in the end of the trans that you took a pic of the connector with the unit in the background.  What you will need is the part that goes into an S12 trans to replace that assly SO THAT your current speedo cable has something to connect to.  This receiving end can be from a B or C trans.

Clutch slave looks fine.  You'll very likely need to bleed the system real good to get a pedal, and don't be surprised if the slave doesn't go bad, sometimes they do when they get extended when disassembled.

The trans wiring connections.  What you aren't used to seeing is the 4th and 5th gear sensors that are on a S13 trans- they are OK to leave disconnected, BUT you will want to have the other two- the neutral safety switch and the reverse sensor- connected.  I *THINK* you've got the one with the round connector right, but the other square one I think needs to go to the sensor at the END of the transmission, one of the ones you have pic'd that isn't connected.  Notice there is some slack in the wiring, I don't think that is normal.  WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO is verify that with the S13 FSM, then you will know for sure, as the book will tell you what sensors are what, then you can compare to the S12 FSM you have lying about, and match them up.

okay i understand what you mean about the speedometer cable, ill swap the lil housing piece or whatever so the cable plugs in

but the gears are different, so i should swap the s13 gear on the s12 housing, then into tranny

BLUE IS S12
AND RED is S13
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(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2228.jpg)

 i cant get this pin off!
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2229.jpg)

how do i get that pin out??! its annoying

QUESTION

can i use the s13 eltronic housing tranny speedo thing , and hook up a aftermarket speedo in my gray car???

and, am i going to fuck with either of these

i stuck it in without swapping the gears and it worked fine actually. hmm will i be fine like this (if someone already answers this remember im psot previewd)

The S12 gear can't be taken off, it's molded onto the shaft. You'll have to get a new one.
Is that an automatic? It's way narrow compared to my old C trans speedo gear.

nah its manual it seems to work fine....

Looks cool.  That seat is pretty nice.  I need to make friends with a welder so I can make custom brackets.

LeegamerLooks cool.  That seat is pretty nice.  I need to make friends with a welder so I can make custom brackets.

mmmn i love spending money...

whats this box for? is this going to be used with the KA harness? hmm..

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2232.jpg)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2224.jpg)

David Bwe barley welded, i used a hammer to make one piece level, the rest of the seat was made with drilling holes to bolt in, the brackets came off the seat, just to long pieces of metal, ill take it apart and take pics

barley any welding was dones, just to get the seat welded on, and reienforcments

I think you've got the captions mixed on your pics there, but if you are talking about the black box tucked on the pass side there that is the Time Control Unit, which is part of the S12 chassis harness.  It controls things like wiper intermittent feature, interior lights, etc and does not interact with the engine harness, so just leave it there.

200sxkitcarTime Control Unit

I checked, and those were discontinued from Nissan.

lol, ahh i need t understand how the SOHC wirings gonna work. i wanna get this DoNe

i got power steering lines frome a SOHC 240 today,,,

blah blah sorting this stupid power steering shit up

i relocated (well kinda not done yet) the power steering resivor to the passneger side, and installed the s13 SOHC power steering lines, boy these things are greasy and annoying!

it kinda looks Ohkay does it? i gotta tinker some more
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2237.jpg)
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heres my crappy JB welding skills lol (first time) (http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2240.jpg)

and... BLUE
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2244.jpg)

lots of blue stuff on my car

mnn this engine bay is so close to bearing an engine, yet so far....

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2239.jpg)

how much HP does paint give you?

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/100_2246.jpg)

woah! everyone dont freak out and flood my thread with comments lol
i got some ghetto 25 dollar rims again

14"
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/0106091420.jpg)

picking up clutch TONIGHT
and getting parts from nissan TOMOWWOROW

no internet latley, im in the process of moving

update!
engine in,

Dang the project is looking good!

Think itll be running by the move out day?