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Started by s12beast87 · Nov 25, 2010 · 25postsSMF 2010–26

s12beast87Nov 25, 2010, 5:16 pm · #1

Alright guys, time has finally come to start buying parts for my swap.  Im buying my sr20det from Jspecauto.com (out of VA)
Link for motor-  https://secure1.voloper.net/jspecautosports/catalog_product.aspx?prod_id=37
Seems to be the best deal around, with shipping only 99 bucks its gunna save alot.
included parts.. List Of Parts Included
ââ,¬Â¢ Complete Motor
- Block
- Head
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
  - Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Throttle Body
- Alternator
- Ignition Wires
- Pulleys
- Turbo manifold
- Turbocharger
As well as----
Alternator.    Starter.    Cam Angle Sensor.    5 speed RWD m/t trans.   Ignitor Chip & MAFS.   ECU

I will still need a few parts though..

Intercooler, i think imma just buying an ebay kit.  I have a buddy runnin this setup and its great, link - http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2FCXRacing-INTERCOOLER-KIT-BOV-S13-SR20DET-240SX-89-94-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e5f088593QQitemZ130443412883QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories%23ht_5908wt_768&h=9500dxSe8-2DEJyUuJ5X3EP_D0A

Mounts, im not sure what to use..would i just be able to use Sr mounts from a junkyard? or should i order new ones? whats the best route?

driveshaft. my one friend said ill need a custom shaft made, but i thought there was one from another car that you guys are using..?

Anything else i need to get for her to start runnin?
Also, sellin my CA as a complete swap, shoot me offers if interested!
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Post Merge: 05:23:31 PM / 25-Nov-10

so...i cant figure out how to post pictures.... i feel so lame. haha.
tuhsty s-12Nov 26, 2010, 12:22 am · #2

the intercooler kit is fine

u should use new mounts.... dont wanna use old ones n have to replace them soon after..... try these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Project-silvia-brand-Engine-mount-kit-89-98-240sx-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem562dc5ce52QQitemZ370135125586QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

they are a bit firmer.. havent driven my car yet so cant tell u exactly how much firmer.

as for drive shaft.. u need to shorten the front half of your driveshaft orr get a new one piece one made.

anything else- u might want to upgrade your fuel pump while your at it

vegasS12Nov 26, 2010, 2:01 am · #3

i have a greddy down pipe if interested has a bend in it thou haha

tommyNov 26, 2010, 8:04 am · #4

Find a s13 with manual transmission and get the front half of it... then mate it with your rear half (removing your stock front half) and it's bolt on... rear s12 shaft front s13 shaft (manual that is)


Post Merge: 09:09:45 AM / 26-Nov-10

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s12beast87Nov 26, 2010, 7:19 pm · #5
tuhsty s-12 on 12:22:10 AM / 26-Nov-10
u should use new mounts.... dont wanna use old ones n have to replace them soon after..... try these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Project-silvia-brand-Engine-mount-kit-89-98-240sx-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem562dc5ce52QQitemZ370135125586QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

they are a bit firmer.. havent driven my car yet so cant tell u exactly how much firmer.

And these just bolt in right, i dont have to fab anything?

Post Merge: 07:25:44 PM / 26-Nov-10

Heres a few pics, thanks tommy for helpin me haha!
front lip - floor seal
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Strange wheel color combo, gotta change that asap!
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Left side.
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Big fart can, anyone want? its an Apexi N1 i think. its melting my bumper...
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Haha, its the CA when i got it. no more pink now, and alooottt cleaner!
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tuhsty s-12Nov 28, 2010, 7:15 am · #6
s12beast87 on 07:19:40 PM / 26-Nov-10
And these just bolt in right, i dont have to fab anything?

yeup they bolt rite in.. is what i used on my sr20de+t swap

take a look at my build: http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=25620.0
s12beast87Nov 28, 2010, 4:41 pm · #7

sweet man..ive check it out before an love it.  do i only need two mounts though? i thought there would be more than that..most engines do..hmm..haha

s12swedenNov 28, 2010, 5:09 pm · #8

s12beast87 : Good luck with your S12 project  :yes:

tuhsty s-12Nov 28, 2010, 6:33 pm · #9
s12beast87 on 04:41:26 PM / 28-Nov-10
sweet man..ive check it out before an love it.  do i only need two mounts though? i thought there would be more than that..most engines do..hmm..haha

yer only two needed.. left side and right side..

if your using the sr20det gear box.. go with a mount for that.. the bracket(tranny) will need to be modded a bit though.... there are a few rite ups on modding the tranny bracket try searching for it.
Phisherman09Nov 28, 2010, 8:15 pm · #10

i swapped bellhousings on my sr swap, so im using a CA20 trans. its way cleaner/easier imo. that way you use the stock driveshaft and such. i had  the hyrbid driveshafts on my ka-t and ca18det swaps, and they vibrated like hell, probably un-balanced.

apparently sr tranny's are beefier or something. i plan on 350 + whp so i guess we'll see what happens.

i used hockey puck mounts, but any ka/sr/ca s13 mount will work.  i build $3000 dollar engines but am too cheap to buy expensive mounts lol.

as for intercooler piping i made my own., any s13 kit can be made to work with minor fabrication.

sr's are fun you'll like it.

DeezusNov 30, 2010, 8:30 am · #11

Sr and Ka Trannys are the same, and yes they are beefier than any s12 trans. Well idk about the vg trans, idk what they haz.

And just to clarify, i was naked in this car.

EDIT: The exhaust isnt even clamped on i dont think...

And plan on rebuilding the sr when you get it.

s12beast87Nov 30, 2010, 9:30 am · #12
Deezus on 08:30:29 AM / 30-Nov-10
And just to clarify, i was naked in this car.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. good thing i cleaned the thing uber good and used a whole can of 'fabreeze'

Deezus on 08:30:29 AM / 30-Nov-10
EDIT: The exhaust isnt even clamped on i dont think...
exhaust on this car = most horrid ever! haha its great you can see holes everywhere, if you look through the fartcan you can see light!
DeezusNov 30, 2010, 9:36 am · #13

yea that was the dirty guidos work. I seriously want to shoot myself everytime this car is started because i sounds so bad.

tommyNov 30, 2010, 12:41 pm · #14

The sr and ka tranny are beefier than the mk1 s12 tranny (FS5W71B) but are the same as the mk2 s12 tranny (vg30e, ca20e and ca18et if you live in Canada or europe) FS5W71C... the ratio are different between the ka and sr tranny for sure, the ka is the same as the tranny used behind the rb20det in the skyline gtst (same ratio I am told) but the sr and ca18det have different ratio... (much like the difference between the ca20e and ca18et ratio in the s12)... as far as strenght goes, they are basicly the same, the tail assembly is different (which account for why the overall transmission is a little longer on the version used in the s13 compared to the s12, but the transmission and gears are exactly the same between all the FS5W71C... just the ratios changed according the the engine that was originaly mounted in front of it... I thought I would clarify all this...

So basicly, just swap the bellhousing on your original transmission to keep the stock driveshaft/shifter position... I believe that the ca20e ratios are a little longer than the sr ones, but by a very fine marging... I'll dig a little to get them... but the strenght is the same...


Post Merge: 02:06:21 PM / 30-Nov-10

In fact, I will have to get a second confirmatin on this, but the s12 fs5w71c matted on the ca20e has the exact same ratio as the one in the SR20DET and CA18DET, the overdrive is what is different between those 3 box and the FS5W71C on the KA24E/DE and RB20DET... those latter box have a taller overdrive gear, so you rev a little less on the highway, but has less torque put down on the road in overdrive compared to the ca20e, sr20det and ca18det box... if the FS5W71C tranny in the SE matted to the VG30E is the same as the one in the Z31, then it has the same ratio as the KA24 box (same overdrive) the box behind the ca18et in the S12 is overall shorter except the overdrive which is a little taller (taken on a mk1 B tranny, I don't know if it carried on to the mk2 C tranny)... 

i don't know why they are different, but it might be that they may share the same gears except the primary reduction between the input shaft and the counter shaft could be different...it would explain the shorter ratio on the > 1:1 gear and the taller ratio on the < 1:1 gear (overdrive)... but it's just speculation right now...
MaxpowNov 30, 2010, 1:29 pm · #15

^^^ didn't read all of it but he's spot on about the C trans.

Z31's also have C trans.

LeegamerNov 30, 2010, 3:21 pm · #16
Maxpow on 01:29:42 PM / 30-Nov-10
^^^ didn't read all of it but he's spot on about the C trans.

Z31's also have C trans.


Only N/As
tommyNov 30, 2010, 5:41 pm · #17
Leegamer on 03:21:07 PM / 30-Nov-10

Only N/As

Yeah, I never got why in the hell did nissan used the t-5 for the turbo model... but hey that's when they decided that they had to build their own "strong" gearbox if they wanted it to be reliable... I guess it had it uses...loll
s12beast87Nov 30, 2010, 8:09 pm · #18

Okok, im a bit exhausted from a crazy day at work. but lemme get this straight, the CA tranny will mount to an SR engine? or just the insides are swap-able.  If thats the case, i take both apart and swap the insides, mounting the SR tranny with CA goodies inside?


Post Merge: 08:09:51 PM / 30-Nov-10

Or vise-versa?
Phisherman09Nov 30, 2010, 8:15 pm · #19

you just pull the bellhousing off.

theres like 8 12 mm bolts the hold it to the trans, then like 5 that hold the front cover on, and a snap ring. i takes me like 20 min to swap one, but ive done like 3 now

s12beast87Nov 30, 2010, 8:19 pm · #20

so I do use the CA bellhousing with the SR gears/insides? or is it the other way around?

DeezusJan 23, 2011, 1:57 pm · #21
Deezus on 02:54:25 AM / 19-Jan-11
either remove the emissions bull or replace the egr valve and it should run fine.
sideways_s12Jan 23, 2011, 6:37 pm · #22
s12beast87 on 10:40:47 AM / 23-Jan-11
When you start it, it runs fine. abit rich but fine. as soon as it starts to warm up it just about cuts the flow of gas, and i think thats why it is doing what its doing..but what causes this??  Is it a faulty sensor thats telling the ecu the wrong thing?


Coolant temp sensor replace that and you should be fine...when its cold the cts doesn't send the ecu a reading once it warms up it let's the ecu know how much fuel you need....
DeezusJan 25, 2011, 7:40 am · #23
sideways_s12 on 06:37:44 PM / 23-Jan-11

Coolant temp sensor replace that and you should be fine...when its cold the cts doesn't send the ecu a reading once it warms up it let's the ecu know how much fuel you need....

That was also already replaced on this motor with a new unit.
s12beast87Jan 25, 2011, 5:24 pm · #24

Well. looks like the s12 is on backorder. my daily D jus crapped on me. haha. the timing gear got worn down and let the chain slip, n since its an interference engine...well. bad things happened hahaha. so, gotta buy a new engine for the sentra and put that in. it sucks having two cars that both need engines :P

as for the stuff that was replaced, no offence but, have of it is so ghetto rigged that made me laugh haha. so as for it actually working, who knows.

DeezusJan 26, 2011, 6:55 am · #25

Yea that wasnt my doing... when we got it some shit was kinda wacky as is. I forget if it was this car or a friends s13 that like half the trans bolts were loose or missing. Idk if that was ever tended to.

He got it thinking it needed a clutch, brought it to my house and i told him to start it, he is a retard and never pressed in the clutch or took it out of reverse so when he started it, it shot backwards. So i put a new slave in it and it drove. Then like 2 days later it started doing a bunch of gay shit, i told him what to replace... i shouldve done it myself. He kept saying the clutch was slipping, and i drove it once and it felt fine to me. I think he was just that stupid. Were not friends anymore lol