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Ka24e/t Or Ka24de

Started by David B · May 25, 2008 · 17postsInvision 2005–09

David BMay 25, 2008, 12:36 am · #1

just wondering, would like some feedback. thank you

David BMay 25, 2008, 1:13 am · #2

bump

RedneckMay 25, 2008, 1:18 am · #3

This is basically a google question. You could search the forums but I don't think there is too much for info for comparison between the ka24e and ka24de.

David BMay 25, 2008, 1:48 am · #4

well i mean, money wise, maintnence wise, is it worth it blah blah

RedneckMay 25, 2008, 2:05 am · #5

The problem in answering this is that this is a fairly opinionated question. Some guys prefer the ka24e and some guys prefer the ka24de. From what I have seen they are both pretty reliable. Maintenance costs are probably roughly the same for both. The ka24e is going to be cheaper than the ka24de.

ArroMay 25, 2008, 5:41 pm · #6

KA24DE way outflows the single cam.... before you turbocharge it, it will give you more power, and after you boost it, it will give you more power than a boosted single cam version, so there's really no better choice than the DE unless you're getting the E for like under 100 bux for everything.

brewster240May 25, 2008, 8:37 pm · #7

oh no arro.

you might want to look around and see which ka is used in race cars.

real race cars.

anyway. you can get either of them for free. you can use parts off other nissans to turbo either of them.

for e, use ca18det injectors, s14 sr style intercooler kit off of ebay, whatever turbo you want, and you have to buy a manifold and get the ecu chipped or safc type deal whatever.

for de, use sr injectors, s13 sr styel intercooler kit, t2x turbo, and here the thing the de has over the e, you can get the ssa turbo manifold that lets you use turbo, downpipe etc from a sr. which is easier. then chip ecu, or whatever.

both will make lots of power cheap.

ArroMay 25, 2008, 11:24 pm · #8

I've only seen high power drift cars use KA24DE and never the E, but then again the KA period is an underdog in that realm.

RedneckMay 25, 2008, 11:53 pm · #9

Yeah it is surprising what the ka24e can do (especially n/a) in race cars. While I am with Arro and highly prefer the ka24de the ka24e has been proven to be a great engine as well. I just like the fact the ka24de has oil piston squirters, a 16 valve head and a larger aftermarket. Something they both have I hate however is the timing chain rattle from rubbing against the guides. Timing chains suck (people who hate on timing belts are nuts, so much easier to change).

silvia loveMay 26, 2008, 12:34 am · #10

dont forget the 24e's weak lifters, de wins in that department.

frosti108May 26, 2008, 1:47 am · #11

either motor is good. you have to remember the sohc is an accomplished motor. the dohc is cool and all, makes another 10 hp... but after boost, either one will do. i hate the dohc intake manifold. too much craziness. for the sohc lifters, there is solid conversions, but you really dont need em unless you are running a crazy cam.

oh and im just fine with my timing chain. last twice as long as a belt, will never jump like a belt. the chain gives you a year notice before it jumps. youll start to hear the weak guides and than you know you have about a year before timing components fail LOL

although it was nice changing the belt on the vg30e. either one is fine with me...

but hey, harleys are belt drive and gsxrs are chain drive, you do the math

RedneckMay 26, 2008, 2:25 am · #12
frosti108 @ May 25 2008, 06:47 PM
oh and im just fine with my timing chain. last twice as long as a belt, will never jump like a belt. the chain gives you a year notice before it jumps. youll start to hear the weak guides and than you know you have about a year before timing components fail LOL

although it was nice changing the belt on the vg30e. either one is fine with me...

Having to basically pull the motor to change the timing chain is not fun. Sure it lasts twice as long but you have to do four times the amount of work when it comes time to change it. Not trying to say timing chain engines are bad by any means. sr20 is chain as well as ka24. And the ka24 is my favorite Nissan 4 banger by far. I just hate having to replace chains. You might as well rebuild the whole fuckin motor while your at it.
brewster240May 26, 2008, 6:07 am · #13

the aftermarket for de is bigger?

nooooooo way. there are way more parts for the e.

and why on earth would you have to pull the motor to do a timing chain?

i mean, if i had the motor out, i would do it then, sure it would be easier, but there is no reason you need to have the engine pulled.

ArroMay 26, 2008, 8:11 am · #14
Redneck @ May 25 2008, 04:53 PM
Something they both have I hate however is the timing chain rattle from rubbing against the guides. Timing chains suck (people who hate on timing belts are nuts, so much easier to change).


Just do what most people do and remove the guide on the top and driver side. No more noise.

frosti108 @ May 25 2008, 06:47 PM
i hate the dohc intake manifold. too much craziness.


In '95 they got rid of the butterflies and secondary runners, and it's a straight-up normal intake mani.

Anyways one of the major deciding factors for me in choosing KA24DE was the aftermarket. A few years ago, there were more KA24E options than DE. That's since changed. I approached this with an unbiased view of the two versions of the KA, and in the end, I was more than satisfied with the selection of choices in the KA24DE aftermarket. I think The emphasis is shifting from the single cam to the dual cam... or perhaps it already has.
RedneckMay 26, 2008, 8:37 am · #15
brewster240 @ May 25 2008, 11:07 PM
and why on earth would you have to pull the motor to do a timing chain?

i mean, if i had the motor out, i would do it then, sure it would be easier, but there is no reason you need to have the engine pulled.

I said "basically" refering to how much of a pain timing chains are. It is "almost" less work to just physically pull the motor and rebuild it on a stand. Why? Because generally if your replacing a timing chain, while your in there, it is good idea to replace anything else that might be worn and weak from age (good time to change that high mileage headgasket). With a belt I could careless when my headgasket blows. If the head has to come off I don't have to mess with a complicated timing chain setup I just replaced.
brewster240May 26, 2008, 9:45 am · #16

thats probably the worst argument ive ever heard on chain vrs belt.

how abou the fact that a belt normally has to be changed every 60k miles, and chains have much much longer life cycles and are way less likely to fail?

why do you think majority of manufactures are switching back to chains over the last few years/generations?

not to mention, this thread is ka e vrs de, which both have chains so i dont see why it was even brought up.

This post has been edited by brewster240: May 26 2008, 09:46 AM

RedneckMay 26, 2008, 1:40 pm · #17
brewster240 @ May 26 2008, 02:45 AM
thats probably the worst argument ive ever heard on chain vrs belt.

Thats where me and you differ. If you replaced your timing chain at 150k miles and your headgasket goes out 20k miles later you don't mind dealing with your chain assembly again. A lot of people find timing chain work tedious at best and would prefer not to have to deal with it at all.