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CA20E Vs. CA18ET

Started by Lawson4323 · May 1, 2005 · 64postsSMF 2010–26

Lawson4323May 1, 2005, 1:20 am · #1

which would win in the 1/4 mile a ca18et or a ca20e both auto or manual

is doing a turbo on a ca20e realy worth it if your going to keep the stock T2 turbo?

I realy just want to turbo for the bov sound is it possible to get that sound buy just hooking up a turbo and intercooler with out tearing apart my engine with 67,0000 miles and with out messing with any electrical stuff?

is a ca20e with a automatic in a nochback worth the modifications like manual trany swaps air intakes cat backs etc. btw its a 87

can a turbo be done with out lifting to engine out of the car?

TurboNotchMay 1, 2005, 1:55 am · #2

if your after just the sound, i\'ve seen speaker kits that make the sound, but thats gay ricer crap.

drift_addictMay 1, 2005, 9:43 am · #3

Stock car for stock car the CA18ET would most likely win obviously depending who is driving it (ie. if you were driving the CA18 and I was driving the CA20 I would beat you most likely). The second part of what you said I am not really sure what the **** you are looking for here. CA20\'s dont come with any stock turbo they are naturally aspirated engines. Reading the third part of your questions makes me want to hit myself in the nuts, you are the most RICER person I have ever seen on here. If you are that worried about it when you want the sound of the BOV just stick your head out the window and say \"PSSSHHHHH\" as loud as you can. Any car is worth modding if you want to, there is no scale to determine whether it is worth while or not, but if your car has 670000 miles on it I would steer clear. And no you have to take the complete engine out of the car to even get the turbo project going, the rear tires also have to come off as make sure that your flux capacitor is turned to \"IMMAEFFINTARD\". Good luck.

ZerialKillerMay 1, 2005, 10:22 am · #4

U the man! :bow:

Joel07May 1, 2005, 11:21 am · #5

Wow dude, you\'re really gonna get tore apart for this one. But I\'ll take the high road and try to give you a little schooling...

which would win in the 1/4 mile a ca18et or a ca20e both auto or manual

CA18ET by all means, hands down.

is doing a turbo on a ca20e realy worth it if your going to keep the stock T2 turbo?

Well, CA20\'s are fairly unreliable when turbo\'d. They weren\'t designed to be turbo\'d, and have problems blowing head gaskets. I would rather swap in a CA18ET, unless you really plan on building up the CA20.

I realy just want to turbo for the bov sound is it possible to get that sound buy just hooking up a turbo and intercooler with out tearing apart my engine with 67,0000 miles and with out messing with any electrical stuff?

That\'s just pure ricer talk there. Do you want your car to be fast, or sound fast??? If you want it to sound fast, my recommendation is to sell your 200 and buy a Honda. They make lots of gay ricer stuff for Hondas.

is a ca20e with a automatic in a nochback worth the modifications like manual trany swaps air intakes cat backs etc. btw its a 87

Oh yeah, if you\'ve got an auto, the only time you\'ll hear the BOV is when you let off the gas after a hard boosting run. Many factory auto turbo cars (and even some manual cars) don\'t even have BOV\'s. Any car is worth modifying if you want it to go faster, but that\'s a question you need to ask yourself.

can a turbo be done with out lifting to engine out of the car?

Yes, but it\'s not for someone with limited mechanical knowledge. Please go read up, research, and learn. There\'s a wealth of knowledge out there between magazines, books, and the internet. If you\'re serious about wanting a turbo setup, I would recommend that you read \"Maximum Boost\" by Corky Bell. But, chances are unless you learn some of the fundamentals about engines and how they work first, you\'ll have a hard time understanding it.

Now, I know that everyone has to start somewhere, that\'s why I\'m trying to be nice about this. But please, search around the forums and on the net before asking questions like this. I think most of these questions have been answered before in this very forum.

So time to read up, and please don\'t turn to the ricey side...

Lawson4323May 1, 2005, 4:21 pm · #6

I don\'t like the way you mother Fu#kers been talking about this fu#king o you're a ricer for your ****i*g information I happen to know a lot about ****ing mechanics and don\'t need no god dame book I had a few questions about a few things and all you people can do is talk a hole lot of sh*t
great job azs hole :finger:
drift_addict your not *****ng funny at all so go **** your self and write a book on it you fu\"king fag since you seem to be infatuated with saying gay sh\"t I\'m sure you\'ll make lots of change

now let desegregate some of the dumb comments posted here curtsy of club-s12.org finest

....Oh yeah, if you\'ve got an auto, the only time you\'ll hear the BOX is when you let off the gas after a hard boosting run. Many factory auto turbo cars (and even some manual cars) don\'t even have BOV\'s. Any car is worth modifying if you want it to go faster, but that\'s a question you need to ask yourself.
---Joel07

ummm lets see, well if this were the case were someone told me \"yeah the ca20e is worth the time and modification\" ummmm lets think since the ca20e is worth the time and effort guess it would be a good idea to swap in a manual,

\"Any car is worth modifying if you want it to go faster\"

---Joel07
should I even reply to this ;-)

\"Yes, but it\'s not for someone with limited mechanical knowledge. Please go read up, research, and learn. There\'s a wealth of knowledge out there between magazines, books, and the internet. If you\'re serious about wanting a turbo setup, I would recommend that you read \"Maximum Boost\" by Corky Bell.\"
---Joel07

why thanks for the advice dad, but you don\'t even know me Aviation High School graduate with an A&P licence currently working for jet blue as and aircraft technician dame just last night my crew and I replaced a IDG on a
MD-83

\"stick your head out the window and say \"PSSSHHHHH\" as loud as you can.\"

--- drift_addict
only a di\'k head like you would try something like that and get there head chopped off my on coming traffic :beer:

\"the rear tires also have to come off as make sure that your flux capacitor is turned to \"IMMAEFFINTARD\". Good luck\"

sure seems like someone fluxed you capacitor. GROW UP and STOP letting Doc. poke you in the ass

\"if your after just the sound, I've seen speaker kits that make the sound, but that's gay ricer crap.\"
--TurboNotch

I really just want to turbo for the BOV sound is it possible to get that sound

--Lawson4323
well I admit that was kinda ricey, but no reason for anyone's flux capacitor to go the 88mph

(ie. if you were driving the CA18 and I was driving the CA20 I would beat you most likely).
--- drift_addict
(ie. you're an ass hole and sure are and addict of something other then drifting)

4/7 wins in privately held club racing events in a fully race peppered turnkey BMW 328ci and as a member of Scca and participant in many solo events at limerock I don\'t think you have a chance mr tuff guy

\"The second part of what you said I am not really sure what the **** you are looking for here. CA20\'s don't come with any stock turbo\"

--- drift_addict
NOOOOOOOOOOO sh\"t, really I didn\'t know that ;-) ummmmmm last time I checked people who had turbos on the ca20e referred to them a ca20et ummm

\"Reading the third part of your questions makes me want to hit myself in the nuts\"
go ahead no one on this part of town is stopping you, are you sure you still have those cuz the radio active waves from you flux capacitor may have done away with it

dame I had a few questions no harm intended sure they were a lil ricey hey it was late now I don\'t normaly like too do this but some off these moo fooo\'s is off there fu$k rocker in fact a hate doing this just that some people get there joly\'s off of being as$ holes unfutnetly I\'m not the one to sit here and take that type off sh(t sorry mods for all this $hit talking but in the name of justice it had too be done

Jokes801tmcMay 1, 2005, 4:37 pm · #7

Hey hey now lets not get to crazy I thought everyone was entitled to their own opinion if you want to turbo your CA20e then do it dont let anybody else tell you that you should or shouldnt do it thats whats this is all about.

/shMay 1, 2005, 4:39 pm · #8

to your ques. lawson4323, don\'t even bother with the ca20e, get rid of the whole engine and put in a ca18et or better yet a ca18DET which is what i\'m doing. put a bov on it with a FMIC and your set!

200SX-TMay 1, 2005, 4:56 pm · #9

Let me begin by saying you should lay off of the caffeine. It may have not been appropriate for some of the other members to post shit talking text, but was it really that neccessary for you to do it also? Anyways, I would just say to sell the whole car and find a different one that is already turbocharged. By the way, where did you find the money to build/buy a fully race prepared BMW 328ci, trustfund baby. I\'d put my brother\'s CRX Si up against it. (No honda is gay signs please).

Lawson4323May 1, 2005, 5:13 pm · #10

thank you Jokes801tmc,/sh, and 200SX-T for not contuing there sh\"t talking and I take full resonblty for mine. It was very unnessesary most of us would agree too even begin this in the first place drift_addict. btw I\'m the co owner of the bmw along with a good friend of mine. we got it used with flood damge and the lucky for us 80% of the interior was already gone

Joel07May 1, 2005, 6:49 pm · #11

why thanks for the advice dad, but you don\'t even know me Aviation High School graduate with an A&P licence currently working for jet blue as and aircraft technician dame just last night my crew and I replaced a IDG on a

Well good for you. But airplanes are quite a bit different than cars. If you ask stupid questions, people are gonna assume that you don\'t have much mechanical know-how. I mean, someone who doesn\'t even know how to use the \"quote\" button, probably shouldn\'t be trying to turbo their car.

ummm lets see, well if this were the case were someone told me \\\"yeah the ca20e is worth the time and modification\\\" ummmm lets think since the ca20e is worth the time and effort guess it would be a good idea to swap in a manual,

Ummmmmm, I don\'t even ummm get what you\'re tyring to ummmm say here...

I was just telling you that if you want the BOV sound, you won\'t get it with an automatic unless you let off the gas after a hard run.

Seriously dude, I know some people are harsher than they should be, I thought I was pretty nice about it. I have no patience for people who ask questions that could have easily been found by searching, and then come and get an attitude and tell everyone how smart they really are. :roll:

drift_addictMay 1, 2005, 7:25 pm · #12

Loser with a capital \"L\" man. hahaha

Its ok though I dont mind, people like you make people like me feel better about being us. hahaha

If you have all of this know-how and the raced prepped BMW, some kind of cracker jack box aviation skillz...I am just boggled as to why you would ask questions that not even my 9 year old cousin would ask about. You have a stupid question? You get a stupid answer, sorry. DEAL WITH IT. :dontknow:

Lawson4323May 1, 2005, 10:05 pm · #13

Loser with a capital \\\"L\\\" man. hahaha

Its ok though I dont mind, people like you make people like me feel better about being us. hahaha

If you have all of this know-how and the raced prepped BMW, some kind of cracker jack box aviation skillz...I am just boggled as to why you would ask questions that not even my 9 year old cousin would ask about. You have a stupid question? You get a stupid answer, sorry. DEAL WITH IT. :dontknow:

you know it would be nice if you just stop being an as$ hole and just shut your fu*king mouth. you sure are acting like a 9year old. if you don\'t get it by now that your sh*t talking is point less god help you

kolekaJul 20, 2005, 1:00 am · #14

the max boost u could get off a ca20e is 5psi so really wat is the point???? :wall:

MagnumJul 20, 2005, 1:46 pm · #15

about 40hp

the max boost u could get off a ca20e is 5psi so really wat is the point???? :wall:

JonBSep 11, 2006, 2:04 am · #16

Magnumabout 40hp

I know this is an older post, but I'm a new member and I hope you'll respond anyway. Does the CA20E not have forged pistons? I think the CA20 can use the same head gasket as the CA18ET. If the pistons are forged and the ecu was done right, the next host of problems would be the rods,crank,and block. The bigger stroke would make for faster piston speeds but would add more torque, The CA20 block is taller but I don't know if it's any weaker? The Bore/Stroke isn't square but with limited cam selection how fast can you spin any 2valveCA? The turbo will build power at lower rpm and if detonation is curbed is the CA20 still limited to low boost? How high of boost can a cast piston run? I once heard 7PSI. Is this true? Is the CA20 piston fordged? What can it handle? Those of you who say 5psi or 40hp, Why? I'd like to try the longer storke under the CA18et head. Has anyone tried? If I do what should I expect?

yhave8Sep 11, 2006, 2:29 am · #17

if all you wont is the bov sound get on ebay and order one of those speackers that make the sound with a push of a button

PremoSep 11, 2006, 3:12 am · #18

jesus tap dancing christ...here we go!! LOL

sam31183Sep 11, 2006, 8:10 am · #19

20e doesnt have forged pistons and its piston rods are like toothpicks, which is why it will only take low boost. Please ppl lets never say bov in this thread again.

IndecisiveSep 12, 2006, 3:48 am · #20

somebody posted up pics of the ca20e rods, ca18et rods, and ca18det rods once...obviously the det rods were the beefiest, and then the et rods in second...but the 20e rods looked like they would snap if you sneezed on them.

NeedCAforS13Sep 12, 2006, 4:07 am · #21

hahahaha funniest thread ever on club s12. this kid couldn't have been serious. could he?

starbucksSep 12, 2006, 4:11 am · #22

Go Fuck yourself! MR. i want my car to sound like it has a bov!! RICER! and dont act like your bad shit behind a computer desk where its safe!! nail your head 2 something!

NeedCAforS13Sep 12, 2006, 5:10 am · #23

thread is from May 1 2005, 01:20 AM. dude's long gone.

yhave8Sep 12, 2006, 5:12 am · #24

NeedCAforS13thread is from May 1 2005, 01:20 AM. dude's long gone.

dange i didnt even notice that

IndecisiveSep 12, 2006, 6:02 am · #25

haha I was wondering why you idiots were getting so worked up over such an old post.

starbucksSep 12, 2006, 4:47 pm · #26

nice! i was on my cellphone surfing.. i couldnt read the date on the small screen... lol thats awesome!..

PaulSep 12, 2006, 6:24 pm · #27

LOL funny stuffs

sam31183Sep 13, 2006, 1:37 am · #28

DAMN YOU STARBUCKSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Jsvob03Sep 17, 2006, 1:16 am · #29

JonBI know this is an older post, but I'm a new member and I hope you'll respond anyway. Does the CA20E not have forged pistons? I think the CA20 can use the same head gasket as the CA18ET. If the pistons are forged and the ecu was done right, the next host of problems would be the rods,crank,and block. The bigger stroke would make for faster piston speeds but would add more torque, The CA20 block is taller but I don't know if it's any weaker? The Bore/Stroke isn't square but with limited cam selection how fast can you spin any 2valveCA? The turbo will build power at lower rpm and if detonation is curbed is the CA20 still limited to low boost? How high of boost can a cast piston run? I once heard 7PSI. Is this true? Is the CA20 piston fordged? What can it handle? Those of you who say 5psi or 40hp, Why? I'd like to try the longer storke under the CA18et head. Has anyone tried? If I do what should I expect?

your best bet would be to look up "YellowPreludeR" and all of his posts concerning the Ca20ET. He did it. made it work. it may take you quite a bit of time, and im sure there will be gaps in the info, as we've had a few crashes since then..but im sure theres still good info to be found!

PremoSep 17, 2006, 3:08 am · #30

word. considering all the hassles he went thru on that...and there were ALOT, just go w/the ca18et

sideways_s12Sep 14, 2007, 12:35 am · #31

sorry to bring this back from the dead but this is the funniest shit I've read in a long time

jeffwins24Sep 14, 2007, 2:45 am · #32

sideways_s12sorry to bring this back from the dead but this is the funniest shit I've read in a long time

Agreed! sticking your head out "PSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHTTTTTTTT, *shifts* vroooooomm PSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHT." I lol'd

and since when have the ca20e's come turbo I must have a CA20ET must be the limited editson s12 nissan only made 5 of before they stoped and made full N/A engines for the ca20e! they must have had like Mad jdm torque yo, thats why they stoped making them. xD J/K

but really go buy your self a FF like a civic or an integra or a 50 hp car that weighs 3,000lb you'll be a happy man.

LOL well you can't blame the kid, my mom thought my car was a 8 cylinder till I showed her it was a four. 2 plugs per cylinder HA!

XanoSep 14, 2007, 7:06 am · #33

OOO YOU NO HUNGRY FOR BOV SOUND, YOU HUNGRY FOR HONDA POCKETS!!!! HONDA POCKETS!!!!

OzchuckSep 14, 2007, 9:48 am · #34

JonB Does the CA20E not have forged pistons?

No, neither does the ET, or the DET for that matter

JonB I think the CA20 can use the same head gasket as the CA18ET. The bigger stroke would make for faster piston speeds but would add more torque, The CA20 block is taller but I don't know if it's any weaker?

It is piss weak

JonBThe Bore/Stroke isn't square but with limited cam selection how fast can you spin any 2valveCA? The turbo will build power at lower rpm and if detonation is curbed is the CA20 still limited to low boost? How high of boost can a cast piston run? I once heard 7PSI. Is this true? Is the CA20 piston fordged? What can it handle? Those of you who say 5psi or 40hp, Why? I'd like to try the longer storke under the CA18et head. Has anyone tried? If I do what should I expect?

K, single cam turbos suck the nuts.
Boost a piston can run depends on the piston.
In this particular engine, the rods and crank are also too weak.
So in the end you're getting a complete forged rebuild and doing a lot of machining for what, an extra 200cc?

Down here theres a member floating around with a rebuilt (stock equipment all through)
CA20 block with a twin cam head.
Dyno'd at 170KW's.
He's happy with the results, but it cost him more than a CA18DET, and ca's also make that kind of power, so its kinda like fighting an uphill battle...

JackalopeSep 14, 2007, 5:31 pm · #35

sam3118320e doesnt have forged pistons and its piston rods are like toothpicks, which is why it will only take low boost. Please ppl lets never say bov in this thread again.

BOV! :run to hide under my bed:

lol just for fun

NemisisSep 16, 2007, 9:23 pm · #36

Damn, I wanted to chime in and tell the guy to...

Make the "Search Button" your friend ya quack!

Answers to ALL of his questions have been posted AT LEAST 2 times!

sideways_s12Oct 8, 2007, 1:25 am · #37

XanoOOO YOU NO HUNGRY FOR BOV SOUND, YOU HUNGRY FOR HONDA POCKETS!!!! HONDA POCKETS!!!!

YES!!! THAT'S FUCKING GREAT LOL!!!! ROFLMFAO!!!

New2DriftingOct 8, 2007, 1:38 am · #38

dead thread, but oh so funny. haha. i think just about EVERY forum i have ever been on have had atleast two of these guys.

DM RushOct 12, 2007, 1:17 am · #39

Lawson4323
drift_addict your not *****ng funny at all

I dont know dude, that "stick your head out the window and go PSHHHHHHH" made me laugh my a$$ off hahaha!

drift_addictNov 4, 2007, 1:29 am · #40

Hahaha WOW! I leave for a year and look what happens.

SmashedGlassNov 21, 2007, 8:34 pm · #41

please tell me, where can i find these delicious 'honda pockets' you speak of?

XanoNov 22, 2007, 4:15 am · #42

SmashedGlassplease tell me, where can i find these delicious 'honda pockets' you speak of?

the local honda pocket dealer or used pocket dealer near you, and man they taste great when cooked over a nissan engine with an open header, or you could even smoke them using some kuhmo tires and a vg30e'd s12 with an lsd.

JonBNov 22, 2007, 4:44 am · #43

Sorry I missed this, and I need to figure out how to separate the quotes.

OzchuckNo, neither does the ET, or the DET for that matter

It is piss weak
K, single cam turbos suck the nuts.
Up high with an unported head, Yes
Boost a piston can run depends on the piston.
Duh!
In this particular engine, the rods and crank are also too weak.
How weak?
So in the end you're getting a complete forged rebuild and doing a lot of machining for what, an extra 200cc?
No, cheapest way possible to 200hp on a USDM motor and pass emmissions

Down here theres a member floating around with a rebuilt (stock equipment all through)
CA20 block with a twin cam head.
Dyno'd at 170KW's.
He's happy with the results, but it cost him more than a CA18DET, and ca's also make that kind of power, so its kinda like fighting an uphill battle...

jeffwins24Nov 22, 2007, 10:54 pm · #44

Xanothe local honda pocket dealer or used pocket dealer near you, and man they taste great when cooked over a nissan engine with an open header, or you could even smoke them using some kuhmo tires and a vg30e'd s12 with an lsd.

HONDA POCKETS! I'll buy for everyone.

SmashedGlassNov 23, 2007, 5:54 pm · #45

try *NEW* mouth-watering scrumptious Chrysler Crunchies!!! MMMMM!!!

200SXXEnotchbck86Nov 30, 2007, 1:17 am · #46

Couldnt resist, man this is an old thread. I was reading and wondered if this dude came back or something. Must have got the Hondah, BOV, he he.

jeffwins24Mar 5, 2008, 10:31 pm · #47

i still LOL at this thread

XanoMar 6, 2008, 2:32 am · #48

jeffwins24i still LOL at this thread

I read it once a day to remind me of how stupid some people are.

CandellanMar 6, 2008, 8:43 am · #49

I'll add more fuel to the fire and say the CA20 will win. It just needs a few tweaks, and a turbo, and a twincam head, and...

sideways_s12Mar 6, 2008, 10:37 am · #50

oh you for got about the.....NOZ!! But be careful not to blow the welds on the intake cuz man that shits expensive....and then me and the mad scientist are gonna have to rip apart the block and replace piston rings you fried...