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Legends Never Die

Started by Draconis · Apr 25, 2012 · 9postsSMF 2010–26

DraconisApr 25, 2012, 5:00 pm · #1
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For the many of us in the S12 community, one name has become legendary: Ben D. He has set the bar as the fastest known S12 in the world and powering his S12? An FJ20ET – the predecessor to the RB26DETT. Clocking 9 seconds in his '84 S12, Ben indeed provided the opportunity to capture what some consider as the picture that wins the Internet.

For more about Ben D's new project, continue reading: Legends Never Die

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ArroApr 27, 2012, 1:03 pm · #2

The FJ was not the predecessor to the RB, the CA18DET shares some things in common with the RB but the RB itself was derived from the L20A. The FJ was its own design, and the only element to carry over to subsequent engines was a wide angle bucket on shim valvetrain design used in VG, CA, RB, and KA. That's about it. The information is out there for any future articles you might write involving the FJ ;)

That said, Ben's done some amazing shit with that FJ :thumbsup: Glad to see you showed the transition from the S12 to the drag rail... that thing is obscene!

ArroMay 3, 2012, 2:05 pm · #3

I contributed to the article with a comment providing the above info, let's see if it gets moderator approved or the article itself gets edited with the right info lol

DraconisMay 3, 2012, 3:11 pm · #4

It is the predecessor to the RB26DETT in way that it was the previous generation's engine of choice for the equivalent of the GT-R, by way of the DR30. The R31 housed an RB20, which sadly is not nearly as powerful as the FJ or the RB26. Other variants like the RB30 and RD28 were also in the R31 but they did not hold up in stature as the RB20DET-R.

However, when it comes to the general thoughts of the "epic" engines or the engines that powered the Skyline series to great heights, the FJ is indeed the predecessor of the RB26DETT.

As for your comments about "showing the transition", it was a well known fact and one of which I was waiting for additional information before posting. But due to other postings, it had me push the blog up sooner than initially planned.

ArroMay 3, 2012, 4:37 pm · #5

Even if you were implying that you were talking about the FJ's relationship to the Skyline as the tie-in to the RB (which I can understand), you didn't state that very clearly in the article. It might be misunderstood as suggesting that the design of the FJ lead to the RB series, which from a strictly factual discussion about the FJ engine is incorrect. Add to that the fact that this particular FJ you covered is from an S12, and the Skyline relationship might be even less suggested to a reader.

All I am saying is if you take the statement you made in the article as literal, it's incorrect. If you wanted to imply the Skyline legacy as the link between the FJ and the RB, it could have been more clear... but that would of course steer the focus away from Silvias with FJ's.

DraconisMay 3, 2012, 4:47 pm · #6

Your point is taken by the manner in which that one may mistake the implication that the FJ is the mechanical predecessor for the RB, but that is not the case nor has anyone else had an issue with it. When it comes to those who are technically versed as you are, then yes, it may seem confusing. But to many, it was indeed the FJ powered Skyline then the RB26DETT powered Skyline. A difference of interpretations for a point that was attempting to be conveyed.

ArroMay 3, 2012, 5:03 pm · #7

Most people outside Australia or parts of Europe who are new to S12's or Nissans might not make that connection, and it might be better to play it safe. Still, I've pointed out the specifics. Maybe you can make an edit to clarify that in the artticle, just to be sure. Thanks for giving these comments attention and discussion.

kelso840May 3, 2012, 5:35 pm · #8

*ahem...* I may be entirely out of place, but better here than in a comment thread where the article will mostly be seen by your intended audience.

Draco, I admire your dedication to our chassis, but you need an editor. While I'm not here to argue any technical claims in your post, since yourself and Arro seem to have come to an agreement about facts that are admittedly far beyond my knowledge. My point is, I often see you trying to be verbose or 'artsy' in your writing and it often times becomes confusing for me to read. I intend no animosity here because, well, what would be the point of getting mean over the internet? I just noticed that Arro (somebody whose posts are always clear, direct, and correct) was confused by your wordage.

Just thought I should stop in and say less is more when posting. I hope you won't be offended when I take some of your copy and rebuild it the way I would elect to present it. My apologies, but I'm an English buff with a fancy towards public relations.

Again, I mean no harm.

rbt chknSep 24, 2012, 10:43 pm · #9

All bickering aside, its nice to see an S12 doing a wheel stand. Personally, i prefer slide-ways or road course, but all in all an inspiration. :evillaugh: