Apr 29, 2010, 4:24 pm · #1
he also cant drive in the state he lives in as we get soooo much rain...i spun my tires in 2nd gear today in the kade notch...without really trying.
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Apr 30, 2010, 10:27 am · #2
Wait so you got 355whp from Ecu Tuning, Exhaust, and Intake? Is the boost higher than stock?
As long as he Doesnt shifting above 3000 rps rain wont effect him much. trust me i live in oregon has rain almost everyday for the last 6 months.
Freaking nice numbers though, Im assuming you have a r200 rear end? If you do what type of power can it take?
Apr 30, 2010, 12:09 pm · #3
If you don't mind me askin how much did this swap run you from start to finish without tuning?
Apr 30, 2010, 12:46 pm · #4
NissanNate
Wait so you got 355whp from Ecu Tuning, Exhaust, and Intake? Is the boost higher than stock?
As long as he Doesnt shifting above 3000 rps rain wont effect him much. trust me i live in oregon has rain almost everyday for the last 6 months.
Freaking nice numbers though, Im assuming you have a r200 rear end? If you do what type of power can it take?
That is correct. I have U.P. Garage's FMIC, Rad, downpipes/racing cat. with ViPec Ecu. The boost was put up a couple lbs more than stock. But the rest was really timing and fuel.
Apr 30, 2010, 3:26 pm · #5
sideways_s12his soul, left testicle and first born child. and a cubic butt-load of cash, lol.
If you don't mind me askin how much did this swap run you from start to finish without tuning?
May 5, 2010, 9:33 am · #6
lmao u need one lemme know.........
May 24, 2010, 11:48 am · #7
So are you using the RB20 tranny or you original tranny with the RB20 bellhousing bolted on?? Correct me if I"m wrong, but the rb20 and vg30e transmission are the same... and there was a reason why nissan developed a new 5 spd for the z32 tt and rb25/26 powered skyline.... Any issue with so much torque and that transmission?
Oh and btw What a nice build that is, seriously that thing will be a bitch to keep straight while pushing it!
May 24, 2010, 1:43 pm · #8
tommy
So are you using the RB20 tranny or you original tranny with the RB20 bellhousing bolted on?? Correct me if I"m wrong, but the rb20 and vg30e transmission are the same... and there was a reason why nissan developed a new 5 spd for the z32 tt and rb25/26 powered skyline.... Any issue with so much torque and that transmission?
Oh and btw What a nice build that is, seriously that thing will be a bitch to keep straight while pushing it!
*note: I have an SE. My mounting setup does create for a slightly different setup than using a 4-cylinder S12. Actually, a 4-cylinder S12 is much easier to do the swap in.
You cannot use the stock RB26 trans for the transfer case really messes with the underside of the S12. I am sure if you really wanted to, you could reshape the underside to accommodate this, but there isnt a need. That and the fact that with the placement I have of the engine, the fwd aspect of the awd setup the GTRs have, is non-existent. The S12s geometry is off by quite a bit, unlike that of the S13s and such. The only way to fit the awd setup and the engine properly is to literally cut the firewall and shove the engine further back into the cabin area behind the dash. It would have to be back a decent amount, so that would require quite a bit of engineering and loss/re-engineering of the dash components. Not to mention, loss of strength in the framework of the car.
I know there was a reason as to why Nissan built a different trans. for the Z32/25 and such. However, with the current power I have in the car, the RB20 trans. is fine. That trans is a bit stronger than people think. I am not especially aggressive nor do I take my car out on tracks yet. In the future I will, and swapping a 25 trans will be inevitable. But I was a little late when I went to get my 25 trans. and decided to stick with my original plan. Sort of like the fact I'm still using the r200 open. It may seem counter, but it works really well. I had a Z31 clutch-type, but sold that and had my eyes on a Nismo. Dont know the exact reason why that got left out of the swap, but it will be going in shortly. But with the open, it helps to compensate greatly for the trailing arm suspension. And again counter to normal thought, there is not much loss of traction nor problems with torque and such. I did make 285 torque at the wheels. Pretty healthy. I'm sure with a different transmission and diff., it may help improve, but for the moment, I need to reacquaint myself with the car's new parameters. I already have a hard enough time staying at a reasonable speed on the streets. And as for keeping it in a straight line, it's a little throttle control and compensating. I'm playing around with the car and how the dynamics have changed since I'm still decently stock. I will be swapping over to S13, but I want to see how the S12 can take it at the moment.
May 25, 2010, 7:31 am · #9
Thx for the info, but as far as the original tranny, I wasn't speaking about the RB26 AWD one, but the FS5W71C trans that came stock on your SE. I knew you weren't using the AWD transmission, as I was the one asking a couple of months ago if you still had a use for it
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rb20det transmission is an FS5W71C, the same as the VG30E n/a, mkII s-12, s-13, etc... but with an RB clutch bell and USDM s-13 ratios
*Edit*
Oh and when you end up swapping for the FS5R30A, would you mind to give some info on the difference between that one and the FS5W71C, can you use the stock tranny mount, is the total lenght different, how about shift linkage and yoke size? Custom drive shaft? That would be very helpful....
May 25, 2010, 9:12 pm · #10
the R30A is a whole nother monster. bigger overall, uses a diff output spline. and i think its longer. however it was used in(that i know of) 3 diff cars, the Z31 turbo from 87-89, all Z32's and RB25 Skylines. the RB25 ones and Z31 one use the normal internal linkage whereas the Z32 has an external type. I have a friend with a 25 car and one with a turbo Z31 so i can measure the tranny lengths and post them up later.
May 25, 2010, 9:27 pm · #11
tommy
Oh and when you end up swapping for the FS5R30A, would you mind to give some info on the difference between that one and the FS5W71C, can you use the stock tranny mount, is the total lenght different, how about shift linkage and yoke size? Custom drive shaft? That would be very helpful....
Yes, will do about the info. As far as a direct comparison between the two in a swap.
I can tell you though, I am not using stock trans mount. Neither Skyline nor S12. It is a custom mount. When swapping over though, I do know a new trans mount will have to be made as well as adjusting and cutting/welding/massaging the trans. tunnel. I may have to get a new drive shaft made but cannot tell until I am at that time and mounting everything.
May 25, 2010, 9:32 pm · #12
Draconisthe splines are diff so you will at least have to change the yoke.
I may have to get a new drive shaft made but cannot tell until I am at that time and mounting everything.
Jan 9, 2011, 12:26 pm · #13
- 4th quarter S3 mag, issue 19
- Feb. 2011 Modified Mag
Jan 10, 2011, 3:07 am · #14
hey thanks for mentioning me and i am sure everyone else on the list is very thankful for the thought also!
Jan 12, 2011, 11:53 pm · #15
Thats epic Draconis, I remember when you joined the forum and your se had a different color door and stuff. Glad to see another S12 kicking some ass.
PS: doesn't it take 3 negative things to get you put in the buyer beware?
Jan 13, 2011, 12:18 am · #16
Ju_S12_Turbo on 11:53:20 PM / 12-Jan-11
PS: doesn't it take 3 negative things to get you put in the buyer beware?
I really do love this forum. Its epicsauce all the time.
Jan 13, 2011, 3:22 am · #17
usually! if you ever noticed it only said one negative feedback..... must have to have the ability to pull certin strings to get a onetime offender put in the buyers beware, regardless of guilt in the situation
Jan 21, 2011, 3:00 am · #18
@ Ju_S12_Turbo: Not a clue to be honest how many times. What I am aware is that the items in question have been in my possession for a while now. I have informed the individual that they are in my possession and supplied pictures as well. They were satisfactory and the deal is being negotiated by both parties. I am currently waiting for confirmation of what was the tentative agreement.
So, as many of you are aware, I currently have a Euro spec rear end to accommodate either my Aussie, UK, or German number plates. Saying that, I may be tempted to swap back to the US spec rear. I mean, after obtaining this, how can I not. It's either horde this or help another out who is trying to restore their car to OEM standards as if it was straight off the showroom.
The box it came in. Yes, OEM over 20yrs ago.
The number plate centre.
Closer look for detail.
Jan 21, 2011, 1:17 pm · #19
Wow that's hot!
Modz are trying to thin the heard. They don't like me, justin, andrew, colin, henry, or anyone else who ever questions their larky. OH well!
Jan 21, 2011, 3:42 pm · #20
@ maxpow...i love you brah! Nobody has been banned in a long time...and there is no reason to be banning anyone for awhile. I saw you got warned for spamming the shoutbox though...whats up with that? As far as colin's seller status that is between him and arro..and they should hopefully be working that out very soon in an adult manner.
@colin...those tailights belong in a museum!!!!
ps please guys, lets keep the political stuff out of peoples build threads...you got beef? bring it to us.
diamonds for beef yo!
Jan 21, 2011, 4:38 pm · #21
Damn man that looks nice! Hope that mine is that nice. I just picked up a set, My passenger light is cracked but the rest of the sett looks good sofar, still removing white over spray from the PO
May 22, 2011, 2:57 am · #22
May 22, 2011, 10:42 am · #23
sam31183 on 03:42:55 PM / 21-Jan-11
@colin...those tailights belong in a museum!!!!
or on the back of my car ;)
the twelve looks great, Masterson. I'm diggin it.
May 22, 2011, 11:56 am · #24
Thanks Long. Yeah, I am happy with the rims and a lot of people are taking a liking to them. They are 17x8 front and 17x9. With Dunlop Direzza's, herra grip.
May 22, 2011, 4:34 pm · #25
nice. I'd always wondered what 17s would look like on an s12...not too shabby. My crown vics are 16s, but the tires are too tall [245/50] because they rub the mud flaps under heavy throttle and when the body dips over bumps. I suppose I could fix this with a higher rate spring and shocks though lol
May 22, 2011, 5:22 pm · #26
Well, I had 17's on before as well. Only difference is that these are much better offsets so they fill out the wheel well in a much more ideal manner. I also tried 19s that had an ideal offset. The 19s werent that bad... they were Lowenharts. Hella expensive apparently. One could pull them off on an S12 but it will depend on if they are lowered and then a fender roll to prevent excessive rubbing but could be done. It's in my build thread on S12Silvia.com.
May 22, 2011, 5:28 pm · #27
I'll check it out. I think the offset might be part of the problem, but the body rock is definitely an issue. I'm probably just going to go all out and swap out the rear subframe though, because I like to be obnoxious and make things difficult lol
Nov 16, 2011, 7:01 am · #28
So, got some weight numbers that would indeed prove to be interesting. Car was weighed at a commercial truck scale stop.
Total weight: 3140 lbs - 100%
Front: 1640 lbs - 52.22%
Rear: 1500 lbs - 47.77%
Compare to a stock automatic SE S12 (silverton's)...
Total weight: 3093 lbs - 100%
Front: 1673 lbs - 54.08%
Rear: 1420 lbs - 45.91%
Interesting isnt eh? Apparently the RB wouldn't kill in weight as most would assume. ;)
Nov 16, 2011, 8:04 am · #29
But you are also heavier in the rear than a stock SE... battery relocation? Lost of grocery in the trunk?
But yeah your front end is 33lbs lighter according to your number. It's nice to know!
Nov 16, 2011, 11:37 am · #30
Interesting. I need to get my FJ powered car weighed to know the numbers and the balance.
Nov 16, 2011, 11:40 am · #31
now I wanna compare mine to yours lol
Nov 16, 2011, 4:05 pm · #32
No battery relocation. Just a full tank of in the rear. My battery is up in the front but it's a small deep cycle and doesnt weigh that much. Can carry it around with one hand. There is a difference of 80s pounds, which is indeed interesting. I have a half cage in the back, which will add some weight to it. Then factor in the Brides, which weight more in addition to the extra weight on the sliders and the harnesses. It may not seem as much but it does add up.
Obviously with everything, there is a margin of error but understanding that these scales are calibrated fairly often and used by the government and such, it shouldn't be too far off and within a given/expected deviation.
Apr 9, 2012, 4:17 am · #33
So, I know there has been video shots of the 12 but I have never been able to get a hold of those who took it or even found it at any point. However, local fellow 12 owner got this video of it cruising on the freeway on the way back from Nissan Fest. Cheers Mason!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TjoJZ1IZak&feature=player_embedded
Apr 9, 2012, 6:26 am · #34
You should do a proper videoshoot and make a nice vid about it.
Secondly you need to get your hands on the EURO spec MK 1 tails. I can hook you up and you can bring them with you when you come over (saves you the shipping and import taxes).
Apr 9, 2012, 1:10 pm · #35
Yeah, for sure man. I would then need to figure out how to work on my reverse lights, but I dont think it should be too great of an issue.
Apr 11, 2012, 2:57 pm · #36
Next Tuesday I have an appointment to get some seat brackets made up for the S12. These will enable us to sit lower and it will be designed for aftermarket seats. Just the thing we have all been looking for! I'll be posting up plenty of pics and all that good stuff. Will also supply a link to where you can buy them.
Apr 12, 2012, 2:48 am · #37
Bitchin!
Apr 20, 2012, 8:16 am · #38
Sweet